fon_tomov Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 S risk da buda nagal (spored gospodata ot evrokom, no ne i spored me) ste izrazia svoeto nedovosltvo otnosno vrazkata. Kakvo stava be pichove? Veche niakolko dena podred mi chezne internetskata vrazka izvun BG. Ste imame li chitav internet ili ne? I mnogo Vi molia ne me karaite da se obazdam na tel edi si koi, zashtoto go napravih pri edno ot izkliuchvaniata i mi kazaha: Da, imame problem . I az kakvo da napravia? Da kaza li sashtoto kogato mi "pochukate" na vratata za mesechnata taksa? V kraina smetka nie userite plashtame za tazi "usluga" i saotvetno iziskvame. Ako e darom tozi internet, bihme si zamulchali, no ne e! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veno Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 abe fon_tomov pak li ti be ? ne ti li omruzna samo prostotii da pishesh ? trqbwa da te nominirame za Top Plqmpalo na godinata, nqma tema w koqto da ne postnesh i da irazish mnenie kolkoto i da si nekompetenten. Procheti si dogowora, koito si podpisal w nego pishe, che uslugata ti e NEGARANTIRANA... W 99% ot sluchaite kogato ima problem sus mejdunarodniq traffic, to problema e wuw nashiq dostawchik, na nas ne ni wrusthat parite koito plashtame kato ima problem wupreki, che nie go kupuwame GARANTIRAN. Ako iskash 100% garanciq qwno si oburkal uslugata koqto polzwash. Taka, che zamisli se malko i prestani da postwash samo gluposti i da si na wsqka manjda mirudiq, kato imash problem ima 24h support team obadi im se i pitai kakwo stawa, ili izpolzwai komandata "traceroute" i wij kade po putq e problema. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fon_tomov Posted June 3, 2003 Author Share Posted June 3, 2003 Veno, ti kato idesh v magazina da si kupish meso i ti probutat vmirisano (no go razberesh chak kato si se pribral v kashti) kak ste reagirash? Niama li da si nedovolen? Neka da vidim kakvo ste kazat drugite "nekompetentni pliampala" po vaprosa....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamer Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 В магазина като купуваш казват ли ти, че месото може да е развалено т.е. качеството му не е гарантирано? И ти знаейки това ще го купиш ли? Не. Но интернета си го купил. Тогава си наясно, че услугата е такава каквато я получаваш. Равно е за всички. И за мен, и за теб. Това както Вено каза не е нещо, което Евроком могат да подобрят щом вината е в ITD дори над тях. Колкото и да се оплакваме това няма да реши нищо. Приемаме, че това са реални проблеми, преценяваме дали си струва услугата и ако решим, че си струва - ползваме я. Ако не - знаеш какво се прави. Ще обобщя още веднъж. Щом проблемът е НАД Евроком то не мисля какво повече може да се спори и недоволства. Т.е. не недоволства, а изисква. Това е моето мнение. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hldd3n Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 nedeite se oplakva za momenta tova e nai-stoinostniq internet v plovdiv za obiknovenniq grajdanin ... kolkoto tolkova ako imash problem s vrazkata si pusni spnet ili evrocard i si varti impuls4eta i se connectvai 8 dena ... Mai barzo zabravqte kakvo beshe prez telefona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killerincho Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Moeto syvpada s mnenieto na Dreamer. Veno, ti kato idesh v magazina da si kupish meso i ti probutat vmirisano (no go razberesh chak kato si se pribral v kashti) kak ste reagirash? Niama li da si nedovolen Kade si gledal kato si podpisval dogovor be ov4i. Da doida az da ti go pro4eta. Kvo samo civri6. Kato ne ti haresva polzvai drug net. Takiva klienti kato tebe bih gi izhvyrlil vednaga ako zavise6e ot mene. Kak moje da ima razbrani hora koito da vlizat v polojenie a samo ti da civri6. To tva ve4e tvoito ne e naglost a debil6tina. 4ertej li da ti se napravi ili kakvo ne znam. Btw doblijava6 se uspe6no do post nomer 1000 i mislq 4e titlata po slu4aq 6te ti pasne ako ne si promeni6 malko ot malko dyrjaneto. Predi ima6e takava klasaciq, ne znam dali ne e vreme da se aktualizira otnovo. Po vehtite useri znaqt za6to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZGAN Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 fon_tomov i az si plashtam za ne znam si kolko kanala po kabelnata i to garantirani ama ei na nqmam XXl ! i si traq shto ne si smenish ISPto ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamer Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 nedeite se oplakva za momenta tova e nai-stoinostniq internet v plovdiv za obiknovenniq grajdanin ... kolkoto tolkova ako imash problem s vrazkata si pusni spnet ili evrocard i si varti impuls4eta i se connectvai 8 dena ... Mai barzo zabravqte kakvo beshe prez telefona Само дето и там никой не ти гарантира връзка и си спира редовно Тъй че за тези пари, които плащаме получаваме негарантирани връзки. Ако искахме гарантирани то за 128кбпс би трябвало да плащаме от сорта на 150$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fon_tomov Posted June 3, 2003 Author Share Posted June 3, 2003 проблемът е НАД Евроком Mislia che samo tozi tekst steshe da e dostatuchen za da se prikliuchi temata. Zashto e nuzno da se pishat obidi? Ako zabeliazahte NIKADE v posta si ne sam obizdal nikogo po nikakav nachin, naprotiv po vazmozno nai-vazpitania nachin izrazih mnenieto si (kakvoto i da e to). No kakto i da e iavno Veno e reshil che triabavd a izpolzva i obidni dumi, koeto ne mu pravi chest. Blagodaria Dreamaer, che si zapazil prilichnia ton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poznai Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Абе сегаа.., всеки човек си има тия моменти.. Трябвало му е нета тогава, нямало го е, е излял си яда. Тва че нищо няма да промени, друг въпрос.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZGAN Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 [12:38:07] * ZGAN is listening: [(Miko & Har-Ell's C S)Astral TranceAlala RMX] [8:36min]-[160kbps] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killerincho Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Lo6o nqma 4e si izliva lo6oto nastroenie ama da ne zasqga drugi hora kato go izliva 4e ne e samo toi s lo6o nastroenie. I moito ne e cvetu6to v momenta i cql den sym se razpravql s revliovci i sega pak mi idva malko v pove4ko. No takiva momenti ima kakto kazva6 poznai samo 4e na tomov sa mu mnogo na4esto teq momenti. Ne znam tva ot EGN-to li e odyrtqva li 4e mi mqsa na svekyrva .... ba li go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkk Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 ..... ili izpolzwai komandata "traceroute" i wij kade po putq e problema. Sigurno ima hora, koito shte kazhat "Ha, ajde sega, kwo e pyk towa zhiwotno traceroute..." - eto kakwo kazwa "man traceroute": NAME traceroute - print the route packets take to network host SYNOPSIS traceroute [ -dFInrvx ] [ -f first_ttl ] [ -g gateway ] [ -i iface ] [ -m max_ttl ] [ -p port ] [ -q nqueries ] [ -s src_addr ] [ -t tos ] [ -w waittime ] [ -z pausemsecs ] host [ packetlen ] DESCRIPTION The Internet is a large and complex aggregation of network hardware, connected together by gateways. Tracking the route one’s packets fol- low (or finding the miscreant gateway that’s discarding your packets) can be difficult. Traceroute utilizes the IP protocol ‘time to live’ field and attempts to elicit an ICMP TIME_EXCEEDED response from each gateway along the path to some host. The only mandatory parameter is the destination host name or IP number. The default probe datagram length is 40 bytes, but this may be increased by specifying a packet length (in bytes) after the destina- tion host name. Eto i primer: [root@kkk root]# traceroute www.ibm.com traceroute: Warning: www.ibm.com has multiple addresses; using 129.42.16.99 traceroute to www.ibm.com (129.42.16.99), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 ge-10-0-0-3.peering1.Evrocom.Net (212.39.92.1) 0.673 ms 0.551 ms 0.464 ms 2 border1.Evrocom.Net (217.10.240.141) 1.263 ms 0.751 ms 0.673 ms 3 gigabit-ethernet-evrocom.ITDNet.net (212.116.128.233) 2.143 ms 1.596 ms 0.983 ms 4 212.116.128.5 (212.116.128.5) 1.502 ms 1.442 ms 3.410 ms 5 border-2.sofia.ITDNet.net (212.116.136.10) 7.662 ms 10.408 ms 5.954 ms 6 105_66.btc-net.bg (212.39.66.105) 326.909 ms 326.882 ms 418.010 ms 7 212.39.91.66 (212.39.91.66) 328.046 ms 332.854 ms 339.374 ms 8 62.156.138.129 (62.156.138.129) 338.837 ms 321.663 ms 320.965 ms 9 * * * 10 WIEN-SA1.VIE.AT.net.DTAG.DE (62.154.5.141) 403.615 ms 392.041 ms 392.197 ms 11 M-SA1.M.DE.net.dtag.de (62.154.5.133) 415.102 ms 394.481 ms 393.245 ms 12 F-SA1.F.DE.net.dtag.de (62.154.0.81) 392.867 ms 388.911 ms 399.185 ms 13 F-SA2.F.DE.net.dtag.de (62.154.17.158) 409.593 ms 417.788 ms 406.892 ms 14 LON-SB1.LON.UK.net.DTAG.DE (62.156.131.98) 404.688 ms 402.838 ms 410.415 ms 15 LON-SA1.LON.UK.net.DTAG.DE (62.156.131.101) 407.698 ms 407.319 ms 412.383 ms 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * I kakwo sega, da pishem na DTAG.DE pismo ot sorta "dokoga taka, shte imame li nie internet ili ne, blah-blah..." ( w sluchaq DTAG nqmat wina, qwno prosto filtrirat ICMP - eh, mozhem i za towa da se zaqdem ako iskame ). Taka izglezhdat neshtata konkretno s Linux. S Windoze e podobno, RTFM. Izwinqwam se za dylgiq post, kakto i za towa, che obqsnqwam ochewidni za powecheto hora neshta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weasel Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Microsoft Windows [Version 5.2.3790] © Copyright 1985-2003 Microsoft Corp. C:>traceroute 'traceroute' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. C:> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkk Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 weselcho, :ph34r: . Taka izglezhdat neshtata konkretno s Linux. S Windoze e podobno, RTFM. RTFM = Read The Fucking Manual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hldd3n Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 nedeite se oplakva za momenta tova e nai-stoinostniq internet v plovdiv za obiknovenniq grajdanin ... kolkoto tolkova ako imash problem s vrazkata si pusni spnet ili evrocard i si varti impuls4eta i se connectvai 8 dena ... Mai barzo zabravqte kakvo beshe prez telefona Само дето и там никой не ти гарантира връзка и си спира редовно Тъй че за тези пари, които плащаме получаваме негарантирани връзки. Ако искахме гарантирани то за 128кбпс би трябвало да плащаме от сорта на 150$. mhm ako nqkoi iska hubava vrazka da plasha na orbitel na satelitie po 1600 evro na mesets i da se radva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Edno ne6to mi e mnogo interesno - za6to kato se poiavi problem s interneta i tel 635063 zapo4va da dava postoianno zaeto? Za da ne mojem da se oplakvame li??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fon_tomov Posted June 4, 2003 Author Share Posted June 4, 2003 Ima nov sinonim na dumata klient - revlio. Samo che tochno tezi revliovci vi plashtat zaplatite gospoda....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veno Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Edno ne6to mi e mnogo interesno - za6to kato se poiavi problem s interneta i tel 635063 zapo4va da dava postoianno zaeto? Za da ne mojem da se oplakvame li??? prosto nqkoi e zwunnal predi teb, obiknowenno kato ima globalen problem zwunqt wsichki.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkk Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Ima nov sinonim na dumata klient - revlio. Samo che tochno tezi revliovci vi plashtat zaplatite gospoda....... fon_tomov, moite uwazheniq, no tozi forum e *neformalen* (xexe, neformalen forum ). Kato klient mozhesh oficialno i liubezno da poluchish otgowor po telefona na support-a i taka da spomognesh da si zarabotqt zaplatite. Wseki, kojto pishe neshto tuk mozhe da poluchi wsqkakyw reply, wkliuchitelno i (ne)zasluzheno (ne)liubezen. Wyznikwashtite tuk otnosheniq sa chastni, mezhdu lichnosti, i ne bi trqbwalo da angazhirat termini kato klient, rabotodatel, etc. P.S. : Narodni mydrosti: Kojto go e strah ot mechki da ne hodi w gorata. Koqto moma ne iska da q shtipqt da ne se hwashta na horoto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fon_tomov Posted June 4, 2003 Author Share Posted June 4, 2003 Kkk, tochno zashtoto ne me e strah, zatova sam pisal po tazi tema. Kakto vizdash baia hora naskachaha sreshtu men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Veno kak taka cial den be pile vse niakoj e zvynnal predi mene? Ne misli6 li, 4e pone vednyj bih popadnal na svobodno. Ne me karaj da izvadia danni ot po6tata kolko vreme e bil izklu4en tozi telefon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfather Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Microsoft Windows [Version 5.2.3790]© Copyright 1985-2003 Microsoft Corp. C:>traceroute 'traceroute' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. C:> Само за протокола: В Windows (типично за M$) командата се пише tracert, а не traceroute както в *nix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weasel Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 ...kato si govorim "za protokola", chovek trqbva da e mnogo *l33t* da polzva accounta na superusera za takiva komandi kato traceroute... ako ne znaeh, che tova e edno kvalitetno ISP, bih si pomislil, che i za web browseri i irc clienti go izpolzvat kadyrnite administratori Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkk Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 ...kato si govorim "za protokola", chovek trqbva da e mnogo *l33t* da polzva accounta na superusera za takiva komandi kato traceroute... ako ne znaeh, che tova e edno kvalitetno ISP, bih si pomislil, che i za web browseri i irc clienti go izpolzvat kadyrnite administratori weselinchoooo, weselincho, dobre che te ima, ti si edinstweniq w toq forum kojto me razsmiwa istinski , kato komedien serial si - tebe joker ti ne trebe, ti si ot ottam. Kwo losho ima da hwanesh pyrwiq swoboden xterm i da pusnesh traceroute be gybko? Ah, neeeee, ti shte mi haknesh shtajgata prez traceroute? LOL. Ako si tolkoz kadyren i za neshtata ot BuK.... mozhe da si umrem ot zhazhda (ako predi towa ne ni umorish ot smqh s twoite postowe). Btw, kolko pyti da ti pisha, dushice mamina, che ne sym sysadmin? Ako imash problemi s pametta (ne RAM-a), procheti predishnite ni zadushewni besedi - mozhe wremenno da dojdesh w syznanie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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